Heathens take the lead!!

  • Sounds like you simply took on too much to handle by merging the alliances and trying to lead them all.

    I know thats one of the main reasons we never made a wing despite the constant asks and applications. 60 players is enough for my headaches :p

    Odin

    Heathens Alliance

    .COM Birthday Servers
    Also known as: poxtops, Lady Killer, Basher, NoName
    Previous alliances: Exile, TM, Fools

  • merger was not the end point as merger came in cause of necessities originated by the real mess in the alliance and we realized what we did was adding another 3x piles of more trouble who are nowhere close as ready to fight heathens but probably reverse is true . our stage was ready to depart for months really and we could have quit already but some good things happen and we kept trying a bit more but the merger was surely the last thing that we should have tried only if we knew what we would get in reality and it was rushed without much prep cause someone messed up real bad last week .


    *i am only talking about my beliefs and not talking on behalf of any one else or any groups and we all have different reason to quit and not all same .

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  • Your problem was a lack of a strict settling plan, you allowed far too many players to continue settling/chiefing in regions that you had already won, or regions with like 20k+ pop.

    At the end of the day, you were a little behind us in simming but not dramatically so. Your 100VP regions in the SE are what kept you in the running for so long, as they were the same as us getting 2-3 regions, but ultimately if you had made sure to keep going for all regions you could instead of letting NAGI (for example) settle/chief like 9+ villages in Ravenna for a mere 10VP points in a region that had 80k population and you had already won... well him alone could have won 2 newly unlocked regions alone with that amount of pop.


    && since you mentioned Dark Soul, our settling/chief plan was the reason that he left, because of our lack of making exceptions for "bigger" accounts numberous times, and although he left, we value alliance > player every time, and so the team/alliance wins even if the odd member is unhappy like he was.

    Odin

    Heathens Alliance

    .COM Birthday Servers
    Also known as: poxtops, Lady Killer, Basher, NoName
    Previous alliances: Exile, TM, Fools

  • Your problem was a lack of a strict settling plan, you allowed far too many players to continue settling/chiefing in regions that you had already won, or regions with like 20k+ pop.

    At the end of the day, you were a little behind us in simming but not dramatically so. Your 100VP regions in the SE are what kept you in the running for so long, as they were the same as us getting 2-3 regions, but ultimately if you had made sure to keep going for all regions you could instead of letting NAGI (for example) settle/chief like 9+ villages in Ravenna for a mere 10VP points in a region that had 80k population and you had already won... well him alone could have won 2 newly unlocked regions alone with that amount of pop.


    && since you mentioned Dark Soul, our settling/chief plan was the reason that he left, because of our lack of making exceptions for "bigger" accounts numberous times, and although he left, we value alliance > player every time, and so the team/alliance wins even if the odd member is unhappy like he was.

    LOL that was the problem mate . that is where most of our time spent to make ppl understand and manage drama artist who will cause new dramas when we say destroy that newly settled villa and they wont . got threatened in the name of MH more than twice for asking not to settle or destroy villas out of settlement as it is their acc and their gold . have to write to players for multiple days even weeks to settle in contested regions and take part in offense orders which they wont cause of various reasons . have to teach multiple ppl not to raid with chiefs , destroy residence before chiefing or not send repeated attacks on chiefing attempt with just 1 chiefs with 2-3k army even after 2-3 months of the game , we so lucky enough to have that wing and many people who followed the orders that most of the bigger messes got covered by them .


    for ravenna its a different issues , its eye of the map i mean literally eye , unique eye and center where its best to farm and send attack from and get optimal time to do so . we planned to fight from the start but did not think we will have some inner problems that will grow and explode at critical time which will force us to do the merger and through merger we took in more problems like this and in much larger scale and to control the mess we needed to spend more time which we did not have .

  • You shouldnt be so tolerant of PINK FLUFFY UNICORNS. You need someone who doesnt give a PINK FLUFFY UNICORNS to just be strict so that people know, its either comply or be kicked.

    If you start a conversation trying to persuade them most of the time youre talking to a brick wall.

    We have had good players get kicked or go on delete. Its better to lose a few as examples, so that everyone undestands there is no middle way.

    In the end all i can gather from here is that the way JC handled the leadership was inefficient and thats what lead to the downfall.

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  • well to be honest the first one on my list would have been the one holding the alliance at that time . first one to take credit or tell everyone about real plans and sound it like its his own and also first in sneaking out and take off blames if anything is pointed at him or leadership . 100 excuses always ready , you want to remove or kick one ? first he will fight you then will go to the guy in question, be his friend and tell him that he is the only one cares for him even show him our real chats which are half true or half fun remarks to get close to him .


    leaked out 2 key operation targets on key time one we did not get to catch other we got informed of the leak just a day before the attack since enemy was so smart to declare their knowledge of the targets with their conversation with them (chatlogs) ? reason for leak ? uncontrollable boasting since he is the smartest and most righteous person on planet and he is the one and only with power and rest are nothing . one of the main reasons why our founder quit , tvv broke up confed , missed 2 chances on 2 offensive on tvv which lead to the merger and confeds . also the same guy who says " heathens are nothing , they are so easy to bait" and asked league,LOL and IK to go heathens regions to take regions from them . his game knowledge and planning was so vast that it baffled so many of ours so many times that few quit leadership and was ready to attack him many times and we had to go and manage these guys to stop the madness . sure he did a lot for the alliance and he needs more credit and we have to inform him of our every move before we implement since he is our supreme leader .


    he noticed our(other 3 leaders) logs for deletion and quiting after more than 24 hrs that we decided and the very first thing he does is to do an mm take off every blame of himself and put it out how good he did and how hard he tried but we 3 are giving up . such good guy . god bless him . it first i wanted to stay quite since most wanted to not involve the players that wanted to play but since it went like this guess i cant control myself either .

  • Yeah the moment you started talking to players you made a mistake :p

    We had a very clear policy of "alliance > player", and once we got a lead we would be more flexible concerning settling/chiefing etc.


    We had players who tried to argue, or settled without asking - these ended in being kicked from allliance, banned from discord server if they didnt destroy their new villas, examples were made, and no one tried it again :D

    Had zero drama concerning that simply because we had 0 toleration, if someone did it and refused to fix it, we got rid - we didn't talk.

    && then people knew in the future.


    It sounds harsh, but if they didn't want to play how the alliance wanted them to play, then they were free to find a different alliance, they made the choice to join us knowing full well our policies when they joined as it was made clear to each new member upon application.

    Odin

    Heathens Alliance

    .COM Birthday Servers
    Also known as: poxtops, Lady Killer, Basher, NoName
    Previous alliances: Exile, TM, Fools