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  • The spawning mechanic does not work as we expected, the spiral is limited to the first starting region till the region is full. Is this as intended?

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  • The spawning mechanic does not work as we expected, the spiral is limited to the first starting region till the region is full. Is this as intended?

    Agreed...

    The differences of size between starting region really made differences in VP

  • Does it make sense to attack your own fraction?

    If you want to win, there is peace everywhere.

    In my starting region there are only members of my fraction.. So simcity till seattling?

  • Does it make sense to attack your own fraction?

    If you want to win, there is peace everywhere.

    In my starting region there are only members of my fraction.. So simcity till seattling?

    If you don't compete within your own faction, you're going to miss out on a lot of Artifact Powers because they will go to someone else's 60-account team.

  • that's not the point..
    So.. on a regular world it really make sense to get the artifact powers or an artifact, because your oppenents don't get the power..

    But you're weakening your own fraction then..
    So if you don't have it, your "ally" has it..

  • The spawning mechanic does not work as we expected, the spiral is limited to the first starting region till the region is full. Is this as intended?

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    In the beginning, new players of a specific faction will start in the same region. Once it’s filled, newer players will start appearing in another region nearby, and so on. It doesn’t depend on quarters or distance from the map center anymore.

    From the answers and confirmed by support. I am wondering if developers understand how big of a difference does it creates between factions, to the point there only two, maybe three worth considering as a starting location for any ambitious alliance. I would really really like to hear reasoning for limiting spawning to the first region till it full. "Hey guys! We want to give you room for more starting strategies! Actually no, we don't. Three is the charm."

  • From the answers and confirmed by support. I am wondering if developers understand how big of a difference does it creates between factions, to the point there only two, maybe three worth considering as a starting location for any ambitious alliance. I would really really like to hear reasoning for limiting spawning to the first region till it full. "Hey guys! We want to give you room for more starting strategies! Actually no, we don't. Three is the charm."

    While Horde alliance have Syhtica (which is very large), the empire have the Italy region. It will create such a tremendous gap in terms of VP. For first 7 days, the empire can hold 3 or more regions while horde had only 1 region. It is basically the same with the other faction.


    Not to mention, the world of Travian is kinda unfair for certain faction. While the some faction have relatively safe spawn position (far from other faction) the other faction got surrounded by the enemy with such a short distance.

  • I dont really understand the problem here, there are advantages and disadvantages to both.


    & We're used to certain quads having strong early game VP but weak mid/late game due to bad artefact powers.


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    For example, Horde/Marauder/Rebels have a lot more croppers & space to expand from, including neighbouring regions which will be opened too, and are closer to each other for farming/chiefing/conquering regions etc.

    You think an extra +100vp/day for the first week or two equates to much when late game the top 2 factions will likely have 2500+ VP/day each?

    Compared to the availability of good croppers, distance to enemy, better artefact powers etc?



    Also, with the way spawning works * shape of regions/map, some players in Empire/Dynasty are literally surrounded by Ocean and have 1/8th of the farms/oasis near them compared to players in other factions who are literally surrounded by players/oasis.

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    202 actually, was 204 a few minutes ago, per day. which is not possible.

    255 now XD Seems they still have some bugs...


    I'm more worried about this thing:

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    Here is said that server will win 1 ALLIANCE who have most VP in Faction with most VP - but we do not see that clearly in server statistic...

    We see 1 FACTION on the throne, not alliance... For alliance we do not see one global VP list where we could compare with others and check the standings. We need to click on faction to see top 10 alliances there but that are only alliances from that faction. We can not see even how much VP/day alliance produce...

    If to that you add this to that:

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    Furthermore, the faction's alliances that are in top 5 of the region also receive victory points, based on their contribution in population.

    then I'm afraid people will be more focused just to be part of winning faction and then to win server will more be important quantity then quality.

    Yes, i believe with current display of VP rankings majority of players will be satisfied to be no.5 in winning faction, or no.10, no.999... And in end we could see more then half of accounts on server to be part of just 1 faction.

  • What's the point of faction if there's victory point cooldown time after alliance in the same faction overtook each other in population?


    For example in horde there's 2 alliance with almost same population and just now the 2nd overtook 1st in pop. The result is horde doesn't get any vp for 1 day straight even though it is from same faction.

  • I am absolutely agreed with this one.


    Quality all that matters in this game. It's a common secret that people tend to have one or more account in travian, and in shadow empire with its current system indirectly encourage people to build a large quantity of account.


    We will se the biggest META/Union in the travian history. I predicted the losing faction will just go join the winning faction since player do not have any attachment on their spawn facton. This is actually blow up all the faction system thing.


  • What are the odds that TG developers will learn to do addition and multiplication before September?


    And don't tell us that this is beta testing. I work in software development. Beta isn't an excuse for dumping untested code on to a live server.

  • Here is said that server will win 1 ALLIANCE who have most VP in Faction with most VP - but we do not see that clearly in server statistic...

    The introduction says it is FACTION that wins in the first place, an alliance mentioned in "we have two rankings". IMHO, it the new set up will be welcomed more if there is only one winner - an alliance that is leading in winning faction.


    In any case, only factions are shown on victory tab which suggests that actual winner is a faction and alliances just have ranking. I have not followed beta statistics much so far and it seems very wrong that you actually need to do so in order to understand which entity gets what. Is that the only top alliance in the faction that holds region who gets any VP? Imho, if the faction is the winning entity and alliance is just ranking, points should be divided proportionally, maybe that is the case, I can't figure that out from a few glances I have at statistics. Clear explanation needed.

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  • Hi guys,


    I have a question. I already understand the victory points to the faction and the alliance. But my question is, If I have a alliance with two more in confederacy (two wings). The points of the alliances in confederacy (wings) will go to first alliance or will remain in the original ally's.


    Thanks guys by the support.

  • Hi guys,


    I have a question. I already understand the victory points to the faction and the alliance. But my question is, If I have a alliance with two more in confederacy (two wings). The points of the alliances in confederacy (wings) will go to first alliance or will remain in the original ally's.


    Thanks guys by the support.

    Hello


    Sorry, it doesn't.


    Victory points only go to the factions, there is a numerical representation inside the faction with all points have each embassy, but not neither in the diplomatic pacts.

    Likewise, the one thing that happens, fortunately, is that only the embassy with the highest% in each area, enjoys the use of the relic or artifact, but only the embassy with the highest% in the area, neither cooperation nor agreements.


    And as a personal contribution, to say that I do not like the fact that the victory points are from the factions, there will be people who like it, but there are many who are competitive and that the fact of working for third parties or that the points do not reflect the We do not like the work of the embassy, in my case, I preferred the previous system, since on top of that this system greatly favors the creation of groups and blocks of various alliances in many cases useless chips that only bulge and adulterate areas in favor of others, and without fighting for anything of his own.


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  • The introduction says it is FACTION that wins in the first place, an alliance mentioned in "we have two rankings". IMHO, it the new set up will be welcomed more if there is only one winner - an alliance that is leading in winning faction.


    In any case, only factions are shown on victory tab which suggests that actual winner is a faction and alliances just have ranking. I have not followed beta statistics much so far and it seems very wrong that you actually need to do so in order to understand which entity gets what. Is that the only top alliance in the faction that holds region who gets any VP? Imho, if the faction is the winning entity and alliance is just ranking, points should be divided proportionally, maybe that is the case, I can't figure that out from a few glances I have at statistics. Clear explanation needed.

    Winning by faction, yes.

    But mainly - winning by alliance points in this winning faction, which is way harder. To achieve that players at times will have to sacrifice for example some powers that give nice bonus to the alliance to the region that gives most points, make strategic decisions whether they should go let's say for Carthago (Unique boots - 20 points) or Hibernia (200 points) early in the game to be top-lead.

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