As long as TG dont understand the human nature, implementing medals and prizes not understanding that it encourages people to cheat in every way , we will see this kind of gameplay.
Gamedevelopers sucessfully transformed a game based on knowledgement and teamplay to a hunt for ipads, egoboost by help with multies/techs without even basic skills.
raid like this?
now you can come back on your group d, we do not like scouts killers here
Safiren take notes pls
Eh my account is Skiv This, want me to get some report on a random server and present it as yours clown? That post kind of sets the level of your credibility , you didnt even get the alliance right
If we consider all your multy of the ITSQUAD, mmmm yes, we are only 50%
Oh you are reffering to the oasis I raid with 20 horses? Awesome Now explain to this community how to be topraider with a media of 500k/hour by raiding 2 oasis with 20 horses, this is not italian forum, so present the math EDITED
It's funny to read you while you boast as an "Italian leader"
Am I wrong or are you Swedish?
You couldnt find a better reason for ranting? Nope, when it comes to Travian Im 100% italian, seems Im more partriotic Italian than you even
I enjoy talking about the game, strategies, attack reports, but I almost stopped reading this forum due to the amount of spam and mockery that started here 2 years ago.
In one of my previous posts, I was doing some flame, true, it's wrong to accuse all italian players for this, but I also mention that I am very appreciative towards Valar Morghulis, Leviathan and others.
That attack when you conquered Pazuzzu 's hammer happened between 3 to 6 AM and you had a bit of luck, but hey it's part of the game, so credit is due, well done.
Pazuzzu was trying to explain to us in the morning how he sent raids just before 3 AM and then he went to sleep for 3 hours, when he woke up there was only a few second until real attacks were coming and he had no time to react.
We all freaked out thinking that we have a spy in the alliance, we started scandal in the conference and so on stressful day that one.
But the attack operations this server end up in a failure on a massive scale, italians, romanians, arabs, germans, greeks you name it. I've seen a few missions from each team, all ending up in a huge splat.
Maybe the old fashion way with missions / sync attacks is not so efficient anymore, I dont know ...
Also with the egyptians being part of the game, I feel that there is more defence available, however being a summer server and with many players being here just to get a code for Finals, it's not the most relevant server to draw conclusions.
As for the attack reports, arabs landed on WW Exodus this morning, and we are now out of the race for WW 100:
Emerik you dont even have 50% of italian players on this server, dont talk about italians, talk about uollas. No point talking about italians anyway, guess thaye have like 20 allieds from what I have heard.
You are offending hundreds of players who played the 2014 World Cup!
Only one here offending italian players is you by your behaviour, and just saying, wtf you did 2014 is of no interest of nobody , its 2019.
I was talking exactly about built-in bot, that would be available for anyone
for the record, i never said using bot is moral or something, i just use it, at some point, only ban could stop me playing more, so i abused it, abused it very hard, and ban never happened. luckily i found my way out.
this game needs redesign, or just needs new player base, maybe after 11 years i found my satisfaction after all..
all in all, this is finally my last post, have fun guys, if i changed something for the well being of the game, i am glad that i did, enjoy
The huge problem here seems to be that everyone wants to be topraider/topattacker/topdefender whatever but not spending time online or arrange duals. Why even play?
Jazavac : Thanks for bringing this up, a-lot of people cheat but your post managed to do something important, bring it to light and make people confront it publicly . Maybe this becomes part of the restoration/redesign of travian and it's rules.
Now for pro Bot and FF, well I personally don't see a problem with friendly farming if you are NOT using bots or sharing passwords, because it takes time to build an account by yourself, so if someone builds an account and you just farm it then you actually lose more than you gain, you lose a player's time and you are not efficient. so FF on it's own is not a huge problem, it's only a travian-killer if you are using bots and/or building multiple accounts, now that's when it's technically free resources you are generating for your account. So my focus will be on bots.
Now using bots is not hard, and managing 3-4 accounts with proxy is not hard either, the technology exists to stop that and you can implement different automated things so that the MH doesn't even do much work and you auto-ban anyone who's cheating and/or auto-delete farms that are inactive or bot related accounts, it's easy to catch a bot because if you trace the movements then it's very systematic and humans are not, even if they try, as someone said it takes alot to build just 1 village, so you will never be consistent with developing everything at the same pattern/rate. So to the game developers/MH/Admin/anyone in HQ, your lack of care and revenue concerns are the cause of this problem, even if all players try to cheat, the technology/algorithms exists to track and stop it. If you don't then this game will inflate and you will make good money for 2-3 years but it will implode and everyone will leave for another, cheating simply kills the game.
Now for those who argue that using bots is a moral or right or needed thing to do, I 100% disagree, first of all there's a point in getting duals, the game is designed for having down-time and putting in time to coordinate certain stuff, and if no-one uses bots then the standard of travian will be lower which will make it more competitive and strategic, now it's becoming less and less about a strategy game since you don't do much team/alliance coordinate, but instead it's a bunch of individual mega accounts with crazy number of troops. If you take bots of the equation then the game will literally be more normal, and good players will have a chance to become relevant and compete instead of getting crushed and pushed by bot users with 3-4 personal deff accounts. It's literally impossible for a great non-bot non-multi player to defeat an average bot using player with 3 multi, no matter the time and tactics the better player uses. Now if you think everyone getting bots is the answer, I would answer by saying ONLY if travian develops a built-in bot for your account, otherwise it's unfair and removes the competitiveness of the game.
So if you think that travian should introduce a built-in bot that helps players waste less time on travian and focus on strategy and team work then by all means go ahead and let's debate that in the right place, but if you support using external bots (that not everyone has access to) then Its excessive and will not lead to anything good in this game.
Get duals, put in more time or better development strategy or just accept having a less impressive account.
Having MH do the cleaning is a very efficient way of making travian fair, anyway, this MH specifically, and the one in the finals are/were doing a horrible job. It's embarrassing how obvious it can be and still go by unnoticed, and as you read above you had people literally reporting themselves to see if they get banned and still get away with it.
I understand that this might be travian admin policy to generate revenue by having players more invested in mega accounts inflate the demand for gold, but this will implode and result in more and more quality players leaving with just a few individual strong accounts left, because not everyone is playing this game to cheat.
Travian .com servers had more quality alliances/players 8 years back than it is now.
The problems with FFs is that they completly unbalances the game mechanics.Travian is an intelligent game (or at least was) based on balance. Having 20 accounts serving one account completly unbalances the game, its amazing that no one see this point of wiew.....
You are my bro now!
However, problem with wolken post is that illegal automatization makes it the same, but also making an enormous gap between botters and non botters, this way i believe it would be more balanced, and as i said, people who know what to do with bot, know what to do anyways people who dont.. oh well
Well I would feel like an alien with a bot in front of me, wouldnt say I dont know what to do in general, I just click my lists every 5 min when Im online You are too used to boots and stuff it seems
guys we all see what is happening and who is doing what
and i will say that that WW holder acc from italians is not played by one real player. that is so obvious but we are not pointing and we are not saying anything about it.
lets try to see as community is there any hope for ruled game or it will be the anarchy or abuses
and yeah sale botting takes a lot of time it is not just bot does it all. and YES community of botters is larger than non botters that is 100% true.
so guys lets allow it for everyone so we can see who can do what and who can only brag about single accs doing more than 3 allies.
give some props to aliens team guys they died this server.,, this italian guy had megalopolis and he did nothing...
The WW account was played by Nino as owner, he changed account from I Puffi when WW was conquered (changing mail and all with approval from MH etc) his duals kept on playing I puffi with him as sitter. Apart from Nino the accounts What? and CISK were sitting most of the time apart from some short sessions from others.
Automatization is for weaklings.
People just want top notch results for minimal effort.
The time of effort pays off is long gone sadly, now everyone wants everything automated... and even if it were to happen, how much you bet people would want more and more so more ways to cheat would surface.
It's a neverending thing. You get something to make it easier for you, you get used to it in a while and want more.... greed doesn't stop anywhere.
pat enough, stop pointing fingers, stop accusing others, no one cares, i said why i posted this, it would be enough
Cedo a bit too much.
Bum Bum , you wouldn't believe how much time proper setting of bot actually takes time, it's all good for tech accounts, but my friend, try planning top account 10-12-30 hours in advance, it takes much much more time then playing it with hand, trust me on that. although, advantage of it is that bot (proooobably) won't fail.
however, only reasonable thing for TG is to get some kind of automatization into the game itself, since community of botters became much much larger then community of non-botters. allow it to all, and then let's see who can do what
edit: NeoRec_IT bro, that's just about who prepared better, if you kill a man, it doesn't matter did you kill him brutally or did you kill him less brutally. same goes for cheating
me - farming 5.5M per hour or Alsco90 farmin 2M or so, also Toutastis farming like 1M
me - friendly conquering 37 villas or Toutastis FCing 20 villas, what's the difference?
once you cross the line you are over, then it doesn't matter who cheated more, you cheated and end of discussion, i get pretty triggered on crap like that...
all in all, i seem to get my warnings, TG seems not to give a fck while money is coming, so why would I, i ain't gonna play this anymore anyways
love you all guys,
Over and out
Agree on a lot, just not that Bro thingy, Ima girl
You said skill and strategy beat cheating and as you played with Italians meta that clearly means you were saying Italians strategic beat cheat, u just combined both better that’s it
Our confed in total between 3 alliances raided less that the account Aliens Team did by themselves, need I say more?
italians were cheating as well, if you don’t agree with it your judgement is biased we all know Italians were ff’ing. It’s not the time to deni it, everyone respect you really well done win, don’t act like u were legit afterwards
Italians cheating or not, me admitting it or not dont really have nothing to with the discussion. I dont see people pointing fingers at eachother here at all, its about how the game are managed.
Can this community be honest and not hypocritical for once???
So i will be honest and i will say some things and you can start pointing finger at me now and later do the same thing
Guys botting is not problem it is solution for this game. This game is very high demanding game and people usually cant play it as their day job. Of course you always have fanatics and i wont take them into consideration. This game was played as regular job when it was viral back into the version 3.6/. now it is just recycling cycle that has bored people . People lost passion for it and you cant expect someone to play this game and do nothing in his life. We all knew how demanding this game is and TG lost their chance to simplify game and to catch wave into mobile gaming, something similar to Clash Royale could be TG but they just were late af when they launched mobile version (which is joke tbh) . So we are stuck up with dying high demand game and there is only one solution and that is botting. Average player cant be playing 8h a day and if you want less merging and more activity botting should be regular thing. I had experiences where MH begs me in RSX server not to use bot because if i am not botting im not playing so he is losing one player there.
There is no point doing all building by yourself like it is year 2008. We all saw this and siming doesnt bring any pleasure for 99% of us. People who are playing this game in 2018. are people who had some experience with this game before and they are not new players who sim for first time so they should avoid this highly demanding process.
FF is big problem and TG should do things to prevent it or to allow it fully. This needs to be clarified quickly. Before server i thing we got agreement on this forum that FF is allowed so some players acted accordingly (that italian dude who build megalopolis) and from the day 40 it became not allowed ? So TG needs to consolidate their rows and they need to sit and to see what is allowed and what is not allowed. Because if FF is allowed then this toxic community needs to stop fingering and blaming other players for doing something what is totally legal ! And they blamed others a lot ! And if it not allowed then guys make mechanism to prevent it, think something for solution. you cant just say it is not allowed and put some lazy MH to check and ban players who are doing it. He will catch maybe 4-10 players and thats all. When i was thinking about it i came with something called bases and you get checkpoint and if you control it you get to reward to farm free farms there, similar to fire and sand thing but not the same. And then allies decide tactics who is farming what etc..
So some people are bad guys for doing like 200 farms and faming it but i think they are just stepping up their game and that they are evolving their tactics. So called thing "meta" is now FF and that is the strongest way to play this game at this moment. You can keep accusing and fingering and blaming me i've said this as it is, so dont be hypocritical and admit it. This server has finished lets be honest guys for just one time and we need to point this to TG to see if its allowed or not and not point fingers at each other, cuz toxicity will just rise and i will get bored and wont be playing this game.
Those are two main topics for improving this game. Make it easier and less demanding for casual player and clarify the rules. Bcz even if FF is not allowed it is really . the harhard to catch it so it makes that process highly abuseable and if its not allowed but you can abuse it without any risk so what is the point of not being allowed ?
So guys dont pretend to be innocent stupid child and lets face it as it is.
All the best,
Random guy who logged into this game few times
Your part about botting is just bs, get a dual in another timezone if you want to be a top raider or just lower your expectations about what your account can deliver, adapt the account to the server and your own onlinetime and its all fine. Play the game for the teamwork and for fun and the good company, why this urge to be a top player? About the FFs I agree, they harm more than the bots.
Posts discussing cheating/bot use and other rule violations are not allowed on the forums per the forum rules and guidelines. that is why the posts have been removed.
It does appear that there is/was a serious issue on this round of comx based on the posts. I will poke Ameno to have her look at the deleted posts and the issue. She may be in charge of the forums but she can forward the concerns to the appropriate person(s) at HQ. This may take a few days since it is the Christmas holidays and people are not around as much as they normally are.
TG have had years to investigate this Nothing new here apart from that one guy actually confessed cheeting in open.