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  • Jeeez you'd never see this on a UKx thread, sure we'd troll and probably insult each other but not want other players to be banned. What a total bunch of cry babies. Credit to the CM for allowing us to make polls and just posting what is requested by the original poster, and also to him for following the previous policy of avoiding banning people unless it is serious...
  • Complaining about the constant swearing I can understand. While I think a lax approach to moderating the forum is good, I can see why it's a problem when (mostly) "a" user here on the .uk domain has absolutely no restraints and keeps posting the same swears and what not over and over again. So yeah, it's sad that a single person might cause a more strict forum for everyone, but understandable.

    But getting so upset over a joke poll though? Really?


    Animis opibusque parati

    com8 (F&S beta) and now back to retirement...
  • -SR wrote:

    Following Crunchie's poll thread being locked, I for one did not get a chance to ask my question so I am posting my concern here in the hopes that you don't randomly lock this thread too...

    I think the issue isn't that you, the CM, or your MODs have a relaxed approach. The implication here is that the kind of things some people are getting away with as opposed to others is night and day.

    I was personally sworn at by another forum user, but laughed it off at the time as we're all human and can slip up when we get caught up in it. Since then, that forum user has repeatedly insulted other people and has been called on it by a MOD, but there still seem to be no repercussions for him.

    It is understandable then that a few of us are concerned you are using your 'relaxed' approach too much in the favour of an individual rather than in general for all forum users. This is why I asked whether there is a forum rule for how many infractions before a ban or penalty, so that we can be assured that yours and your team's actions have been as per some guidelines and that, hopefully, the bias we suspect is just all in our heads.

    With regards to the poll, individually, yes it is a bit of banter. However, on the context of who has posted it and his horrible behaviour to date, I can understand why it's annoyed so many people and you should too.

    This isn't me saying I want Crunchie's banned, he's amusing enough that I'd prefer to keep him around. But do I think some of the others on this forum would have been given as much leeway? Absolutely not.



    thesssssupdude_UK wrote:

    I'm sorry, but I still think CM didn't do anything wrong. And Templar knight, I'm sorry on behalf of all the users that u are getting some CRAP (ironically I'm using a swear word to make a point to support CM... if its censored idc :D) replies... u don't deserve it :D.
    If there are any specific examples you guys can give instead of just saying generally "they favour others" then plz give them :P, like multey did now :D...
    What you mean is you're grateful for the effort TK puts in. Or did you not want a forum?

    Kett wrote:

    I thought bad language wasn't allowed on the forum posts. It never used to be and at the very least the one using the bad language got a warning and if it happened again much more severe warning and removal of the post, then if it kept happening the person in question was never allowed to post again

    Then that was on the lovely old forum where things were a lot better.
    I apologise for my language. Words hurt much more than sticks.

    Templar Knight wrote:

    -SR wrote:

    Following Crunchie's poll thread being locked, I for one did not get a chance to ask my question so I am posting my concern here in the hopes that you don't randomly lock this thread too...

    I think the issue isn't that you, the CM, or your MODs have a relaxed approach. The implication here is that the kind of things some people are getting away with as opposed to others is night and day.

    I was personally sworn at by another forum user, but laughed it off at the time as we're all human and can slip up when we get caught up in it. Since then, that forum user has repeatedly insulted other people and has been called on it by a MOD, but there still seem to be no repercussions for him.

    It is understandable then that a few of us are concerned you are using your 'relaxed' approach too much in the favour of an individual rather than in general for all forum users. This is why I asked whether there is a forum rule for how many infractions before a ban or penalty, so that we can be assured that yours and your team's actions have been as per some guidelines and that, hopefully, the bias we suspect is just all in our heads.

    With regards to the poll, individually, yes it is a bit of banter. However, on the context of who has posted it and his horrible behaviour to date, I can understand why it's annoyed so many people and you should too.

    This isn't me saying I want Crunchie's banned, he's amusing enough that I'd prefer to keep him around. But do I think some of the others on this forum would have been given as much leeway? Absolutely not.
    I am not favoring anyone as I have no connection to anyone here. I do not play on the UK domain and never have so when I roll thru the threads I treat everyone of you the same.
    As I posted in the locked thread. You as players do not have the option to open a poll and we as mods will need to do it for you till it is sorted out by Travian.

    As long as a poll does not violate forum rules then we should allow it since if polls could be opened by players, crunchie would have started it anyway. Should I tell him no because he left out an alliance on purpose?

    It is not my call to DICTATE to a player how his poll should read or be formatted.

    Then players began posting how the forum staff is controlled by crunchie and the nit turned in to a flame on me.

    I for one would rather have a forum full of players who are enjoying themselves rather then worried about if they may get banned f or discussing some of the things you have been banned for before.

    Seems the UK domain likes the warnings and bans though as many of you have clearly stated.
    ^ Not sure how anyone can argue with that. I miss polls already. Thanks.

    MartinJames_UK wrote:

    No one before was worried about getting banned for acting normally on the forum. None of us were allowed to frequently swear and most of us thought that pretty reasonable.

    As for the poll post, you failed to consider that your position as CM is relevant when you post or you didn't care. It was obvious posting inflammatory posts on others behalf was not a great idea because of your position. Had Crunch posted it himself the issue wouldn't actually have arisen, but it was you who did. The sensible thing to do would've been to say 'I'm not getting involved in alliance politics' and leave it at that.
    The CM allowed a poll to be posted? Outrageous.

    I miss polls. Thanks.

    Templar Knight wrote:

    Please point out to me my inflammatory post in that thread?

    AND let me point out again right now players do not have the ability to start polls so it falls on us the staff to do it for you.

    I am not going to tell someone they are not allowed because you feel it is an insult to you.

    If I saw anything that is insulting to you then it would not have been allowed as that is against forum rules.
    Have you heard the metaphor about playing chess with a pigeon?

    notorious crunchie wrote:

    The sensible thing to do is make the poll as requested.

    Why don’t you make a poll saying who’s will win, MFH, MFH or mfh?
    Oh wait, you can’t because you and your buddies have ruined polls for everyone.

    Thanks by the way.
    ^ This chap is well handsome.

    MartinJames_UK wrote:

    Templar Knight wrote:

    Please point out to me my inflammatory post in that thread?
    The poll itself obviously was. In the sense that it was written to provoke our alliance.
    Would it of helped if was in italics?

    Once upon a time the name MJ held respect when it came to forum arguements. Thats gone now.


    mutley_UK wrote:

    i know the poll was intended as a joke and imo that's fair enough.

    As I said before it's more than fair to let the odd violation off as people forget. But what are we supposed to think when members on our team recieve warnings bans and have posts edited every single time and one player is repeatly allowed to verbal abuse us? Generally 2 and 2 add up to 4

    If this isn't the case then I will retract my comments
    Please. Please follow that up with facts.

    Templar Knight wrote:

    MadZ wrote:

    You still not banned ;)
    Not your call on when someone gets banned.
    No one has been
    I Have!

    Templar Knight wrote:

    -SR wrote:

    I'm sorry, but your response has literally failed to address the entirety of my post.

    You keep talking about the poll, but that was just an impetus for this discussion.

    What is at issue here is that perhaps not you personally, but your team seem to be letting a particular forum user off with a lot, whilst other forum users are getting infractions for perfectly civil and polite discussions.

    I personally think there needs to be some kind of transparency regarding the punishments. For example the same person has now directed pretty foul language at me again, but beyond you having removed his post, I have no idea as to whether you've done anything to ensure it doesn't happen again. When we see the same guy doing it again and again, it just seems like you're just deleting his bad behaviour and making it seem like it never happened at all...
    Since before Christmas I informed the staff who moderates both the UK and US domains to just edit posts but do not give warnings or bans unless it is a serious offense.
    So that is why you have not seen many players being banned for things they have done recently.

    That was my call to make and I made it.

    Thanks tripadvisorguy, now we can't have a fun forum.

    thanks for trying though TK.

    MadZ wrote:

    MadZ wrote:

    You still not banned ;)
    That's a shame, never once said it was my call. I can keep posting this all day, feel free to keep up your "different" method of CM'ing that is clearly just to cover the fact that a good CM has been replaced with a sub-par one and a silent one...
    What are you trying to achieve?

    This baffles me

    -SR wrote:

    Right it's your call, but what guidelines do you follow when making that decision? Or is it your complete discretion?

    Surely after X number of infractions you have a rule that someone gets banned?
    Would you think I was crazy if i said it wasn't me ruining the forum but it was you?

    -SR wrote:

    Templar Knight wrote:

    -SR wrote:

    I'm sorry, but your response has literally failed to address the entirety of my post.

    You keep talking about the poll, but that was just an impetus for this discussion.

    What is at issue here is that perhaps not you personally, but your team seem to be letting a particular forum user off with a lot, whilst other forum users are getting infractions for perfectly civil and polite discussions.

    I personally think there needs to be some kind of transparency regarding the punishments. For example the same person has now directed pretty foul language at me again, but beyond you having removed his post, I have no idea as to whether you've done anything to ensure it doesn't happen again. When we see the same guy doing it again and again, it just seems like you're just deleting his bad behaviour and making it seem like it never happened at all...
    Since before Christmas I informed the staff who moderates both the UK and US domains to just edit posts but do not give warnings or bans unless it is a serious offense.So that is why you have not seen many players being banned for things they have done recently.

    That was my call to make and I made it.
    Sorry, can you just clarify that your entire approach is that people can do whatever they like repeatedly as long as it's not 'serious' and they get off Scot free?
    Is it just me who thinks that's pathetic administration?

    EDIT: apologies for the double post, not sure how to fix it on my phone. Please don't give me an infraction!
    What is your dream and/or vision for the forum?

    How could it be amazing?

    -SR wrote:

    Thank you for taking the time to address the concerns I've flagged, I do appreciate the detailed response and at least now we can appreciate there is some semblance of a system in place.

    I can't say it is working though given the frequency of the profanities has not gone down. I would recommend you revisit your processes and find some way that works better. Obviously it is your forum to run, so whether you take that on board or not is completely up to you, I am just stating my opinion.
    I believe it was only twice, and both times i think were more than warranted.

    Amazing how your team how no respect for the ingame rules but care so much about the forum rules at random occassions when it suits you....

    Tombo457 wrote:

    Jeeez you'd never see this on a UKx thread, sure we'd troll and probably insult each other but not want other players to be banned. What a total bunch of cry babies. Credit to the CM for allowing us to make polls and just posting what is requested by the original poster, and also to him for following the previous policy of avoiding banning people unless it is serious...
    ^Amen

    MartinJames_UK wrote:

    Thing is no-one even wants anyone to be banned, they just want the constant swearing to be given a rest already which is totally understandable and the main issue most have expressed.
    It's a bit to late to back track mate, you encouraged this.

    wishmaster3 wrote:

    Complaining about the constant swearing I can understand. While I think a lax approach to moderating the forum is good, I can see why it's a problem when (mostly) "a" user here on the .uk domain has absolutely no restraints and keeps posting the same swears and what not over and over again. So yeah, it's sad that a single person might cause a more strict forum for everyone, but understandable.

    But getting so upset over a joke poll though? Really?
    yeah i shouldnt have sworn, i cant admit that

    MartinJames_UK wrote:

    Primarily I raised an issue with the poll and have spoken privately about it. I don't think either topic requires revisiting after yesterday though to be honest and I don't see anything beneficial coming from that so I'm out.
    Primarily, you backed your mate. From there you have leaped from one aguement to another. I actually respect you for it but you need to find better mates.

    ======================

    This is me being nice.

    The post was edited 1 time, last by Hawk: duplicate content ().

  • Nobody's asking you not to have your fun or be as salty as you want. Just asking you to express that salt in a way that's acceptable on the forum. Sure there's plenty of other colorful words you could use to describe me within the community rules. Come on Crunchie, use your imagination!
  • -SR wrote:

    Nobody's asking you not to have your fun or be as salty as you want. Just asking you to express that salt in a way that's acceptable on the forum. Sure there's plenty of other colorful words you could use to describe me within the community rules. Come on Crunchie, use your imagination!

    You arranged to come on the forum and attack me en masse, not even by coming at me, by running to the teacher.

    You have lost the right to ask anything of me.
  • Nothing was arranged

    Must just be that enough people were fed up with you swearing all the time

    I could scroll through 500 posts and ask for screen shots of warnings but is it really worth doing all that just so you feel the need to stop breaking the rules?

    As I've said many times now this isn't the place for that kind of language.

    You should probably drop it now crunch, continuing to argue about it is just going to add to the hostility
    tormentor - As for replying to other posts, I really cannot stand the stench, even the nose plugs are not stopping it.

    listers losers - Does that mean youve taken off the gimp mask?
  • we often discuss your blatant disregard for rules

    Doesn't mean were arranging anything. Simplest solution would be to stop breaking them love ;)
    tormentor - As for replying to other posts, I really cannot stand the stench, even the nose plugs are not stopping it.

    listers losers - Does that mean youve taken off the gimp mask?