All villagers to vote passed out today since we don't have a seer or no lynch option

That is a terrible idea.

Then only 1 wolf needs to vote someone to get a free kill.

I think you knew this though, so I will be voting for you.

Well, we'll know who that wolf is when he votes to lynch someone..

I can see why this must be bad for the wolves.. Are you one, crunchie?

If everyone does passed out then a single vote will mean someone is lynched.

It isn't 22 passed out vs 1 lynch so passed out wins. It is simple 1 vote received so that vote wins.

Thus meaning a singular wolf can make one vote, kill a non-wolf and say "oh sorry, I didn't know the plan". That is assuming a load of villagers don't random vote anyway because they have seen/agreed with your plan.

Someone will die today, there is no avoiding it, personally I would prefer a random chance of getting a wolf than to give the wolves a free choice on it.

That you are even suggesting this plan is very suspicious to me, in fact, the only reason I am not leading a lynch vote against you due to your plan is because I got you killed last time and I feel bad.

I put forward this suggestion only because we don't have a no lynch vote.. no other reason

As most of you know I am a proponent of the no lynch on the first night. However this is, at least to some degree, to give the seer time to start to see what is going on. That is not something villagers have the luxury of this time.

I am therefore in agreement with Crunchie (as with more things than I would expect) on this one - it would be too easy for a few people to miss the message. Alternatively a couple of wolves could make a single vote for a different player each and attempt a double bluff of some kind (with the possibility of a lynch through an unobservant villager duplicating one of their votes).

All round I don't think passing out night one is a solid idea. Having said that I don't believe Ruffian knew it was a bad idea so I don't go along with Crunchie's analysis there.

As a final point I thought it might be a good idea to repeat my sign off in Skype last night for all to see so that you don't have to read back and I don't have to repeat myself (see quote below).

Chris (Morgz) has opined that this is a fishy statement. I have now repeated it in Skype chat and (after Chris's comment that it is fishy) repeated it here. I am either the most ballsy wolf in history in a round where the wolves have many advantages and can fly under the radar or there is some other explanation...

I repeat - I believe that the wolves have the advantage in this round and can afford to fade into the background (they do in a normal round quite often anyway!) That is my starter by way of recommendation for this evening. Don't have anything more specific I'm afraid at this stage - not sure how one could.

Seeing it as some people, maybe only 1 person, sent an email to the host account instead of a conversation, please use this link to send in your votes from now on.

PM to WvV Host Account

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Link above is confirmed

You definitely should have set that up to PM yourself instead

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d…FpbNFFLY/edit?usp=sharing

If anyone is interested in keeping a track for all votes/kills, I will be updating this daily.

Right then let's try this again...

I SLEPT badly AGAIN last night... It is true that vampires are night dwellers but I am far more delicate than that... If I am a vampire attempting to be something else I am extremely bold... If I am not what I imply don't you think someone would have said something by now?

There is no seer in this round and so there is no way that villagers are going to ascertain who is who through traditional methods... Let's look at the villager roles shall we, with a view to small tactical groups starting to work together?

Blacksmith, Medic and Taxi are standard roles - traditional tactics apply and it is probably best that they are hidden so not as easily Alpha'd.

Captain of the guards needs to be alpha'd - sorry. But you do and soon. You take out a vampire with you and when the ratio is 3:1 that is a fantastic thing - less so when it gets to near 1:1. May I politely (nay strongly) suggest that you get in touch with someone as you can then start to influence things while you are alive... If you get in touch with someone you shouldn't what is the risk?? If you get alpha'd you win; if you don't there is a greater chance of lynching a baddie in a small team; if you are the target of a lynching then you have a possible ally instead of none...

Angel - you are the same as the captain. You have to die asap. In the meantime you should be in a small core team who are able to influence the game and the same above applies re the merits of coming forward and not doing so...

Twins - you are already in your own small combat group. Imagine how powerful you would be with a larger group...

Devoted servant is a very powerful role - I suggest that they try not to get killed and go for whatever the safest option is.

Thanks all for your attention. Perhaps I should now go and have another nap to catch up on my beauty sleep...

Are you suggesting people reveal their roles?

Is that not against the rules?

*As I'm also playing this game, please feel free to cross check this yourselves.

Just incase anyone does query the link, the link is legit. It will go to the host account only. The way to tell is by looking at the user ID in the url bar. The user ID there is exactly the same as the user ID on the host account page (33247)

Sorry for my absence, I passed about about 8.30 last night. On the plus side I woke up early enough to get a maccies breakfast before work so that's an overall win in my books.

Interesting first night, same outcome as a no lynch though

Crunch's KP Analysis;

So, we have a bit more information to go on here.

Given that no more than 2 people voted for a single person it would seem the wolves agreed to spread their votes out. Obviously this isn't fool proof, they could have gone out in groups or 2 for example but I think that is much less likely.

So, if that is true, which I think it might be, the each person voted for would only have been voted for by a maximum of 1 wolf. It is also unlikely that they would have more than one show as absent but nothing is for sure there.

Vote -------- People who did
Absent ----- Blaze / Jakeyyy / MJ / Hawk
Andi -------- Lagushki
Blaze ------- Dark Tower / Zab
Crunch ----- Lemon / moogle
Hawk ------- Bob Hawken
Jakeyyy ---- Inky / Cait
Lagushki --- Madz / Morgz
Lemon ------ Crunch
Moogle ------ Ruffian
Morgz ------- Cantbeasked
PFK ---------- Rob Jakes / Deaderpool
Rob Jakes -- Tombo / PFK
Ruffian ----- Andi
Tombo ------ MarkoKram

Each of those groups could potentially have a maximum of 1 wolf in. I do believe it may be worth coming back to these groups as the server continues.

By a simple game of numbers, Lemon is now the highest likelyhood to be a wolf. As the last surviving member of his group, rather than the only person in his group, statistcally he is most likely.

From a non-math prospect, i think MarkoKram is a wolf from the things he has been saying on skype.

Assuming there are no shocking revelations I will be voting one of those 2 tonight.

No of course not - only within the rules. In the same way that I haven't overtly revealed anything.

i'm disappointed in your judgement crunch, just disappointed , although a good theory about groups.
I would still say ruffian is one of wolves and has lynched moogle even though he knew moogle would get alpha killed.
That would be exciting!

I would be surprised if someone as new as ruffian is pulling of moves like that.

Which is also surprising that someone as new as you is making accusations like that.