Day 5 The Inner Sanctum

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  • Day 5 The Inner Sanctum

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    Surprisingly, the Inner Sanctum was really small and – unlike other rooms – not decorated at all. An empty room with a central stone altar on which stood three bottles – one yellow, one red, and one blue – including some inscription. The statue of Nefertum – the man with the lotus – was guarding them.
    "These are bottles of pure death." Nefertari explained cautiously, and Mark, who was about to take the red bottle in order to read what was written on it, immediately snapped his hand away. "Try not to drop them. Two of the bottles contain deadly diseases so virulent that everyone who walks nearby would die in no time at all. There is still no cure for those diseases, but as long as they are locked in a bottle, they cannot infect people. The other bottle contains the cure to an existing disease. If we pour this cure into the Nile, we can neutralise it, and the river's water will spread the cure around the world.
    Bottles like these were only made by two of the high priests of Nefertum, Nil and Menes. We know that Nil always only put true statements on the bottles that he had made, and Menes inscribed false statements. We need to find the correct bottle with the cure." Here is what was written on each bottle.

    Yellow bottle
    Blue bottle
    Red bottle
    The cure is here.
    The cure is here.
    At least two of these bottles were made by Menes.



    Which bottle contains the cure?

    Task: For this task, you need to find out where the cure is and PROVE it by posting your logical reasoning.


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    The red bottle contains the cure.

    The only possible variation that match the description of the story and the rule of the bottle is
    yellow bottle has a wrong statement, blue bottle has a wrong statement.
    That's why the red bottle has the right statement. (but the red bottle don't mention that the bottle has the cure. Because of the others were false statements and there must be a bottle that has a cure, then the red bottle is the only possible bottle with cure.)


    Khibli
    ts29.travian.co.uk
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    Possible combinations (true = Nil; false = Menes):

    True, True, True
    No – 2 cure bottles

    True, True, False
    No – 2 cure bottles

    True, False, True
    No – Red bottle can only be true if 2 others are false

    True, False, False
    No – At least 2 are false, including the red bottle

    False, True, True
    No – Red bottle can only be true if 2 others are false

    False, True, False
    No – at least 2 are false, including the red bottle

    False, False, True
    Yes – the cure is in the red bottle

    False, False, False
    No – logic simply doesn’t follow here


    Therefore the cure is in the Red Bottle.

    UK29 - Miles
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    Assume the yellow and blue bottles have false statements, meaning they were made by Menes, so the cure is neither in the yellow nor in the blue bottles. This takes us to the red bottle. It's statement can't be false now, because blue and yellow make it true, and thus, it was made by Nil. And so, as the cure isn't in blue nor in yellow, it must be in the red bottle.

    If we assume either yellow or blue as truth, it makes it impossible to decide the red statement.

    And, of course, we can't assume blue and yellow as truth, because there would be two bottles with cure.

    Answer: Red bottle

    Pestanejando - br3
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    Red Bottle: At least two of these bottles were made by Menes - thid id true therefore at least 2 bottles must have false labels, which means both the other 2 bottles have falselabels
    Yellow bottle: The cure is here - False
    Blue bottle: The cure is here - False

    As the cure is in niether the Yellow or the Blue bottle, the Red bottle contains the Cure

    Urban / UK20
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    cubafranka
    com20
    Fire and sand 3x

    Cure is in red bottle.

    Reason: Red bottle made by Nil, then it's true. Because it's true, other 2 were made by Menes and that makes them false. That leave us that cure is in Red.

    If Menes would make RED then it means that he made 1 or 3 of them. If he made 1 of them, then other 2 are true and there is problem, because we have only 1 cure. If he would make 3 of them then there is problem with instructions that clearly say that both Nil and Menes make this cures.
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    Red Bottle contains the cure.

    If we assume the yellow bottle has the cure, then the statement on the blue bottle must be false (Menes) and the statement on the red bottle must be false for it to be true which is a contradiction. An analogous argument for the blue bottle containing the cure, thus the red bottle must have the cure by elimination. It is in fact confirmed as the statements on the yellow and blue bottles are false (Menes) making the statement on the red bottle true (Nil).
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    The information we are given about the Yellow and Blue bottles is the same. Therefore, as only one bottle contains a cure, we cannot determine anything between these two. This means that, as there is definitely only one cure, it has to be the red bottle.

    sirjacobofglais
    uk20
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    Templar Knight wrote:



    Surprisingly, the Inner Sanctum was really small and – unlike other rooms – not decorated at all. An empty room with a central stone altar on which stood three bottles – one yellow, one red, and one blue – including some inscription. The statue of Nefertum – the man with the lotus – was guarding them.
    "These are bottles of pure death." Nefertari explained cautiously, and Mark, who was about to take the red bottle in order to read what was written on it, immediately snapped his hand away. "Try not to drop them. Two of the bottles contain deadly diseases so virulent that everyone who walks nearby would die in no time at all. There is still no cure for those diseases, but as long as they are locked in a bottle, they cannot infect people. The other bottle contains the cure to an existing disease. If we pour this cure into the Nile, we can neutralise it, and the river's water will spread the cure around the world.
    Bottles like these were only made by two of the high priests of Nefertum, Nil and Menes. We know that Nil always only put true statements on the bottles that he had made, and Menes inscribed false statements. We need to find the correct bottle with the cure." Here is what was written on each bottle.

    Yellow bottleBlue bottleRed bottle
    The cure is here.The cure is here.At least two of these bottles were made by Menes.


    Which bottle contains the cure?

    Task: For this task, you need to find out where the cure is and PROVE it by posting your logical reasoning.

    gianninho_COM wrote:

    yellow and blue got the false statements of Menes and red got the true statement of Nil. so red is the correct bottle. red bottle's statement say something that we already know and cant be fake. so the other two statements are fake. ts20.travian.co.uk acc: gianninho
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    The cure is in the RED Bottle.

    Reason: Well as written that "We know that Nil always only put true statements on the bottles that he had made, and Menes inscribed false statements". The only logical and true statement would be the inscription on the RED saying the other two bottles were made by Menes.

    Lancelot
    UK29
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    Red bottle has the cure.

    If we assume red bottle was made by Menes, the statement on red bottle is false. That means only one bottle was made by Menes which will be the red one. That means other two bottles were made by Nil and both will have true statements, which is not possible as cure is only in one bottle.

    If we assume red bottle was made by Nil, the statement on red bottle is true. That means either 2 or 3 bottles are made be Menes. But we already assumed red bottle to be made by Nil, therefore other 2 bottles were made by Menes and both will have false statements. That means the other 2 bottles do not have cure. Hence the cure is in red bottle.

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    There are 8 possible cases of true and false from left to right (yellow, blue, red):
    TTT
    TTF
    TFT
    TFF
    FTT
    FTF
    FFT
    FFF

    -TTT and TTF cannot be the case because we know that only one bottle contains the cure, so both yellow and blue cannot be true together.

    -Since Menes only puts false statements, if the red (third) one is from Menes, the statement "At least two of these bottles were made by Menes." is false, which means that only one bottle is from Menes, and it is the third one. In other words, if Red is false, the other two must be true. So we can eliminate TFF, FTF, and FFF.

    -If the third (red) statement is true, then it was made by Nil. Since the statement is "At least two of these bottles were made by Menes.", that means the other two most both be false. This eliminates TFT and FTT from the possibilities.


    We are left with only one possibility: FFT. Both the yellow and the blue bottles are false and say that they contain the cure. They are then the poison, and the red bottle contains the cure.
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    The cure is obviously in the yellow bottle, cause it's obviously filled with lemon juice, everyone knows that lemon juice is healthy af.

    A lemon a day, keeps the doctor away!

    I doubt anyone can argue with that one, so fairly sure it's the most logical explanation you'll ever find.


    You can just load the gold into the Bo Jackson account on 3x F&S, they seem to be lacking gold..

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    Here we make two assumptions:


    CASE 1. Red bottle is made by Menes.

    We know Menes always lies. Thus the statement on Red bottle - at least two of these bottles were made by Menes is a lie. Which means only one bottle is made by Menes (which is the Red bottle). Therefore, the Yellow and Blue bottles are made by Nil. But both bottles contain cure as per Nil (who only speaks the truth), which is not possible because we know that only one bottle contains the cure.

    Therefore, CASE 1 is incorrect.


    CASE 2. Red bottle is made by Nil.

    We know Nil always speaks the truth. Thus the statement on the Red bottle - at least two of these bottles were made by Menes is true. Therefore, the Yellow bottle and the Blue bottles are made by Menes. As Menes always lies, the statement on both the bottles - the cure is here is a lie. In other words, both the bottles contain deadly diseases.

    Therefore, the Red bottle made by Nil contains the cure.
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    The cure is i The red borte, Mads by Nil.
    I Menes had made the red bottle with false statement then both yellow and blue had to be made by Nil, but both statements can not be correct.
    So red bottle must be made by Nil with true statement, and contain the cure, because blue and yellow bottles are made by Menes have false statements.
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    Let's take a look at the Red bottle. If it was made by Menes, then only zero or one of the bottles could've been made by Menes, in this case, the Red bottle. Therefore, Nil must have made the other two bottles, which both claim to have the cure. Since Nil always tells the truth, and only one bottle has the cure, this cannot be the case. Thus, Nil made the red bottle.

    Since Nil made the red bottle, its statement that at least two bottles were made by Menes has to be correct. Therefore, the remaining two bottles must have been made by Menes, and since Menes always lies, neither the blue or yellow bottles contains the cure. Thus, the cure is in the red bottle.

    PunchfirstAQL, UK29
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    In this description, 0 represents a false label, written by Menes, while a 1 represents a true label, written by Nil. The numbers are in this order: Yellow, Blue, Red

    000 - X 3 is marked false, even though it is true
    001 - 3 is a possibility for the cure
    010 - X 3 is marked false, even though it is true
    011 - X 3 is marked true, even though it is false
    100 - X 3 is marked false, even though it is true
    101 - X 3 is marked true, even though it is false
    110 - X 1 and 2 are both marked true, but this is a contradiction
    111 - X 3 is marked true, but it is false

    Therefore, the only combination that does not contradict itself is that Yellow and Blue have false labels, while Red has a true label.

    Which means that the cure is in the Red bottle.

    --Bob the Cat uk1
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    The answer is the red bottle
    1..the first and second statements couldnt be right togather because there is one bottle has the cure
    2..so we will discuss the third statments
    If the third statement is true that means the other bottle were make by Menes and both of them has false statement and they havent the cure and red bottle have the cure
    If the third statement is false that means two of the bottle were make by Nil and has right statments .. and that means the first and he second statements are true and they couldnt be right togathe
    Thus ... the third bottle has right statements and two bottle at least are made by Menes ..they are the first and second bottles and has false statements and they havent the cure
    According that..the third bottle will have the cure

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